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I was just talking to Caraleigh, and we were discussing how we've both seen so many articles coming out today asking "What's wrong with Chicago? Don't they realized that in the past 35 years, 4 governors have been convicted of fraud? (including Blagojevich)."

My answer: Hell yeah, bitches, we realized. What you don't understand is that we don't think anything's wrong with it- at least, not how you're thinking. I can't speak for the rest of Illinois- but Blagojevich is a Chicago politician, so. Chicagoans are cynical about politics. We expect our politicians to be corrupt. We don't care if they are- actually, we think it's funny. The only question is: how *well* are you doing at being corrupt, and can you manage to get stuff done? Chicagoans respect balls. What a lot of people in the rest of the country don't get is, for example, that Chicagoans don't think badly of Daley- we really like him. If he runs for re-election, I'm gonna vote for him. Yes, he's corrupt. He's part of the old Illinois Ward System that's based on loyalty and what you can get for your friends. But he gets the snow removed, and what he's done for the city in the past 20 years is outstanding. Daley has balls. Miggs Field is a great example of that. Man- Governor Ryan, before Blagojevich? Was investigated for his Pay-to-Play scandle before he even ran for Governor, but he still won. Because Chicagoans respect balls.

Blagojevich also has balls. And so does, for example, Todd Stroger. Todd Stroger's all, "heeeey my dad got re-elected even though he had a debilitating stroke 3 days before the election (which could only happen in Chicago), and then died like 2 weeks after, so now I'm gonna use my connections to get myself appointed to his seat and then raise the taxes to the highest rate in the entire country. I got balls!" And Blagojevich, holy shit does he have balls. Just look at the list of people he was trying to shake down: The President-elect, the Chicago Cubs, the Chicago Tribune, Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, *Children's Memorial Hospital*, the fucking RED CROSS. Ok, he was doing all this while *under investigation* and still talking about running for President in 2016. DUDE HAS BALLS. Delusional, but ballsy.

What the difference is between Blagojevich and Daley is that Daley is competant and Blagojevich is not. That is why Chicagoans hate him. We couldn't care less about the corruption.  It's funny to us- because he thinks he's this huge big shot and he's delusional, it's hilarious. But honestly, if he tried to shake down all those people and was smart enough to get away with it? We'd re-elect him. In Chicago it's sink or swim- we'll respect you if you can pull it off, if you can't we'll laugh at you as you're going down. All you need to do to see how much fun we're having with this is read the Chicago Tribune headlines- they had one this afternoon that said "Patti Blagojevich- The New Lady MacBeth?' Hahahaa, oh man. Deal with it bitches!

Stephen Colbert lived here for like 6 years, guys. Where do you think he got his balls from?


P.S. A word about Barack Obama. This will seem a bit contradictory, but Barack Obama is not corrupt, which is, in fact, why Chicagoans like him- we have different standards for our national politicians than our local ones, and anyway- it take a *shitload* of balls to grow up in the Chicago political system and not be corrupt- look at Rahm Emanuel. It hardens you too, and if you can hack it you get our respect. Some people are all "but Rezko" but seriously, the Chicago political system is even more incestuous than the Chicago music scene and if the only corrupt person they've got him talking to is Tony Rezko, then in my humble opinion Barack Obama is squeeky  clean.

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Date: 2008-12-10 10:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] berserkide.livejournal.com
I like the padlock next to the title "an unlocked post".

FAIL!LIZZY ILU. <33333333333333333

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Date: 2008-12-10 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tygrestick.livejournal.com
oooooooooooooooooooooh i do fail! it's HABIT GODDAMMIT

OFF TO GO FIX

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Date: 2008-12-10 10:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bloodygoodgirl.livejournal.com
I love you and this post so much. I gotta respect that about Chicago. There is a difference between being corrupt and being bad at your job because of it and then being corrupt to get shit done with a little leftover for you at the end of the day.

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Date: 2008-12-10 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tygrestick.livejournal.com
:-D Thanks! I was just getting all annoyed with all people who're like "What's wrong with Illinois"? They don't really get the mentality here, I don't think. Punks!

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Date: 2008-12-10 10:28 pm (UTC)
newredshoes: radio tower on top of the world (Default)
From: [personal profile] newredshoes
Hats off, madame, because SO TRUE.

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Date: 2008-12-10 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tygrestick.livejournal.com
:-D Thanks! I wish the rest of the country could just understand it, get off their silly high horses, and laugh at Blagojevich with us. (Not everyone needs to off course, I think Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert have it just right. :-DD)

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Date: 2008-12-11 01:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] interpol15.livejournal.com
Oh Chicago. Never change.

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Date: 2008-12-11 04:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tygrestick.livejournal.com
<3 i love it too much. i mean, corruption is not a good thing, but i still love it. <3

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Date: 2008-12-11 08:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xdirtydx.livejournal.com
Your corrupt politicians hurt people :(
I really do not think you should support them because they have "balls."

Obama is the only one of them with real balls.

I also bet he is not squeaky clean! He pals around with terrorist! AND HE IS MUSLIM! And I think he related to Bin Laden!!!! And he eats the stomachs of children!! Then washes them down with higher taxes!!!!

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Date: 2008-12-11 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tygrestick.livejournal.com
well, I'm not trying to claim that this is a good system, I'm just trying to explain- everyone is all "why are people in Illinois so dumb, they elected this guy twice" and I'm trying to explain, we know he was corrupt and in general we didn't give a shit, this is why. Y'know?

IT'S TRUE, OBAMA IS MORE EVIL THAN ANYYYYYONE

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Date: 2008-12-12 06:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xdirtydx.livejournal.com
It is not like our country as a whole ever elected a corrupt president twice......

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Date: 2008-12-12 07:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tygrestick.livejournal.com
I dunno, even knowing they were corrupt? I feel like most of the examples are like, of Nixon and whatever when no-one thought he had any problems until it came out that he did. Am I missing a president?

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Date: 2008-12-15 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fallingfortruth.livejournal.com
I believe his name is 'Bush II'.

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Date: 2008-12-15 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tygrestick.livejournal.com
well, yes and no! corrupt or incompetant, with Bush? And did the half of the country who voted for him really think that he was corrupt, and voted for him anyway.

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Date: 2008-12-15 07:30 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The problem with Bush is that people weren't just voting for Bush, they were voting for Cheney too.

And anyone who doesn't believe that Cheney is as corrupt as it is possible to be and still be human are clearly too dumb to live.

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Date: 2008-12-15 07:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tygrestick.livejournal.com
haha no problem!

well, I don't think it's hard to argue that Americans are often too dumb to live. My dad was a huge Bush supporter and he didn't think Cheney was corrupt either- if he had, he wouldn't have voted for them.

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Date: 2008-12-15 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fallingfortruth.livejournal.com
Sigh. Have they ever seen him?

*is so glad that Obama is about to be president*

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Date: 2008-12-15 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tygrestick.livejournal.com
people are soooooo willingly blind, I think. :-p

SO SO SO SO SO SO GLAD!!

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Date: 2008-12-11 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] narceus.livejournal.com
WORD.

This is what I keep trying to explain to people here, but feeling like I'm doing a bad job. Of COURSE our politicians are corrupt. We all know and expect our politicians to be corrupt. NOBODY's surprised that Blago's gone down. But while they're competently corrupt, we don't really give a fuck.

I think it's the ballsiness that I need to start including in my explanations. Most people respect ballsiness. Right?

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Date: 2008-12-11 04:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tygrestick.livejournal.com
yeah, ballsiness is a good way to explain it! I don't know, I'm also trying to say to people "Look, we *know* they're corrupt and don't care- we only give a shit when they're incompetant. Which Blag. clearly was."

we are so misunderstoooooood

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Date: 2008-12-11 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angel-blue01.livejournal.com
I agree with most of your essay, maybe as a Chicagoan I know corruption is the way it is, so this is hardly surprising.

But although I like Daley too, he's been great for the city, if I could have, I would not have voted from him last time. He's crossed my threshold of corruption without a relative increase in competence, although Blago's offsetting him quite a bit :p.

Its more fun to laugh at them then throw them out of office, aren't that what politicians' gaffs are for?

Ob'a on the other hand is pretty clean, yep, which is what you need as a president, anyone remember Harding? :-)

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Date: 2008-12-11 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tygrestick.livejournal.com
Hm, yeah, Daley's doing a lot worse lately. I've heard he isn't planning to run for re-election- we'll see if that's true! This whole parking meter thing is a bummer.

It's totally fun to laugh at them and throw them out of office! Scandals are what we do. :DDD

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Date: 2008-12-11 05:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gramarye1971
Well put. It makes a good deal of sense, really, not just in Chicago politics but in almost anywhere. As the British TV series Yes, Prime Minister put it, 'If you're incompetent you have to be honest, and if you're crooked you have to be clever.' If you fail on either count, no one is going to come to your rescue -- in fact, they'd be more than happy to kick the chair out from under you once they see that you've got sufficient rope to hang yourself.

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Date: 2008-12-11 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tygrestick.livejournal.com
Hello and welcome! I think you're exactly right- Chicagoans expect corruption, but that's fine as long as things are working. Otherwise, we will rejoice in your downfall. I've been getting rather annoyed by all the nightly newscasters who seems to be all shocked and offended that Blagojevich could possibly do this, and how could Illinois vote for him, etc. etc. Ugh.

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Date: 2008-12-11 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birdseyeview.livejournal.com
Directed here from [livejournal.com profile] newredshoes and, as someone who was born on the Southside and whose family has a connection to the Daleys, I must say:

The only question is: how *well* are you doing at being corrupt, and can manage to get stuff done? Chicagoans respect balls.

That's pretty much it. People here don't hate Blago because he's corrupt, we hate because he's a ineffectual screw-up who also happens to be corrupt.

And for Rezko? Exactly what you said. I love Obama but even I was surprised the worst his opponenets could do were tenuous connections to Rezko and that Ayers bullshit.

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Date: 2008-12-11 07:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tygrestick.livejournal.com
Hello!!

I think you have hit the nail on the head. I've been getting so annoyed by everyone who's all shocked that Illinois would vote for so many corrupt politicians- they don't get that *every* politician is corrupt, and we just keep hoping one will be competently corrupt.

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Date: 2008-12-12 05:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ilyena_sylph
+laughs cheerfully from across the river+

Yup, pretty much. Chicago politics are not like politics anywhere else -- at least in scope.

Great post. And I like the caveat re: Obama, because it matches my opinion of him very well.